Thank you to one of our colleagues for forwarding the latest statement of intent from the Conservative Party on Home Information Packs and EPCs.
As has been case throughout, the information imparted is full of political rhetoric but devoid of much substance.
The note opens with the familiar party political line on HIPS:
‘Conservatives opposed the introduction of Home Information Packs and have maintained a view that HIPs are an unnecessary level of bureaucracy which are failing to make the home buying and selling process easier’.
The question should be asked of where is the evidence on which it can be claimed that the HIP is not making the ‘home buying and selling process easier’? All the evidence I have seen shows the contrary. The principle of upfront information, the same principle of upfront information on which Grant Shapps formulated his Home Buying Review (http://bit.ly/2e6MZn). Surely we must be asking the Conservative Party that despite the evidence to the contrary (some of which comes from the consumers themselves), how do they propose to make the process easier. So easy to knock and criticise, but far more difficult to come up with concrete proposals for reform. Where is the back bone to the Conservative Party’s policy on housing reform?
Mr Shapps’ office then moves on to the old chestnut of the HIP, yes the £199 bundle of legal documents that every seller and buyer required and had to pay for as part of the century old conveyancing system before the HIP was ever conceived, let along introduced, claiming it is acting as a barrier that is preventing speculative sellers from placing their property on the market. He says:
‘Speculative sellers are being put off from putting their homes on the market and those that did go so far as to order a HIP were charged more than £320 million last year with no guarantee that their property would sell’.
This strikes me as a sign of desperation as we now for the first time have a figure attached to the statement. So Mr Shapps how much of that £320 million pounds has actually been lost? Not much I guess. Furthermore, how much of that sum represents a cost saving on the conveyancing charges on the properties sold. As I say above apart from the £40 for the EPC, all of the documents paid for by a seller are documents that the seller would require in any event to proceed with a sale. The Ipso Mori Poll commissioned in the summer showed that 85% of those home sellers surveyed did not see the HIP as a barrier and the 15% who did, still nonetheless paid for a HIP and placed their properties on the market.
This is a highly misleading statement and one that masks the true economic factors that are restricting the flow of property. I am talking here of the fear of unemployment and the lack of credit. Perhaps Mr Shapps would be better off addressing these more fundamental issues rather than picking on what can only be seen as an easy target.
Another question for Mr Shapps is how much money has the consumer saved since the HIP was introduced in terms of conveyancing fees. Does he realise that the HIP has brought the cost of searches down by one third that has had the effect of reducing quite substantially the cost of selling and buying. By withdrawing the HIP consumers will be required to pay more. A massive ‘own goal’ as I see it.
Mr Shapps then says in a slightly contradictory way that if they are good as we all say then HIPs could continue but as a voluntary pack:
‘Grant’s fully aware of the need to be honest with people whose livelihoods are affected by our decision to scrap HIPs and for that reason I must inform you that a ‘repackaging’ or renaming of HIPs will not be considered. However if, as you say, HIPs are desired by consumers, a voluntary pack could succeed on a market-driven basis’.
So Mr Shapps you are taking away the HIP and despite indications given to the industry of your support for a ready to exchange solution you are now saying that this is also a ‘no goer’ Not sure this can be regarded as ‘honest’. We should all be asking Mr Shapps why he would wish for the Country to return to the pre-HIP system, a system that was last changed back in 1925, when he knows that the system is flawed – it takes too long, it’s too expensive and as recognised in his Home Buyer’s Review it is very stressful. He prides himself, as does his Party, on being a progressive party – not sure how a backward step of this type fits that label.
As for voluntary continuation, he knows full well that will not work. It has not worked with the Law Society’s National Conveyancing Protocol and it will not work with HIPs. To put this in as an option is an insult to the intelligence of professional people.
The response then moves onto EPCs.
His Office says:
‘Grant recently restated the party’s commitment to retaining Energy Performance Certificates. Under a Conservative government, EPCs would be the only aspect of the Home Information Pack which is retained.
With over a quarter of the country’s carbon emissions deriving from residential housing, Grant and his colleagues are wholeheartedly committed to ensuring a reduction in the environmental impact of our homes and believe that better use of EPCs could help in that regard.
Embroiled as they are in the current HIP regime, EPCs are too often overlooked. Liberating EPCs will mean that a home’s energy efficiency should become a more important aspect of the home buying process.
Under Conservative plans, Energy Performance Certificates would last up to ten years. It is inconsistent that currently an EPC is valid for up to ten years for a rented property, but only three years for a residential sale. We will also allow homes to be advertised and put on the market once an EPC has been commissioned. These rules operate in Northern Ireland and such “first day marketing” provisions were in place in England and Wales before the Government changed the regulations in April 2009; the market has been harmed by Ministers fiddling with the rules yet again’.
Well at the very least we seem to have some definitive thinking on how the EPC will operate, thinking that seems to be driven by the recasting of the Energy Directive. So the EPC will need to be ordered before the property is marketed. Interestingly Mr Shapps, in one breath talks about bureaucracy and how this should not be allowed to be a barrier to marketing, and in the next breath, he says a seller will have to order and pay for an EPC before placing a property on the market. So what you are really saying that bureaucracy is oaky when there is an environmental issue involved (and yes it would be bad policy to upset the Green Lobby), but when it comes to adding legal documents that would with or without the HIP be required, it is a different story. As I say this is not about what is best for the consumer, it is about politics and allowing policy formation to be led by the likes of some estate agents who have a vested interest in keeping the existing and antiquated self serving system in place.
Increasing the length of the EPC for domestic to 10 years will clearly have an adverse impact on availability of work and though he says: ‘As part of the Party’s comprehensive energy policy, we have pledged a ‘Green Plan’ scheme to retrofit energy efficiency measures in homes. Domestic Energy Assessors will have an important role in helping deliver these policies’, can we trust a man who’s views on the role of the EPC has changed so much in recent times?
We all need to contact Mr Shapps at collinsti@parliament.uk and ask the questions:
1. Why dismantle an industry and unnecessarily put people out of jobs when it would not take too much for a party that should be supporting businesses to return HIPs to the pre-April transitional rules, allowing a property to placed on the market (in the same way as he is proposing with the EPC) providing the HIP is ordered, and to leave the HIP in place until such times as he and his Party have come up with, and implemented proposals for reform to the home buying and selling process. Tell him that this would address his concern about speculative sellers. Remind him also of David Cameron’s speech at the Party Conference (http://bit.ly/2hrOd8) when he said entrepreneurs would be required to help mend broken Britain.
2. Ask him to see the results of his Home Buyer’s Review that have never been released – point out that if he wishes to be honest and transparent then this should not present a problem.
3. Ask him to produce and publish figures on how much money the HIP has raised for the Public Purse and how will this hole is to be filled when he withdraws the HIP?
4. Ask him to produce and publish figures on the impact of the HIP on the costs of property searches and conveyancing fees.
5. Ask him about how the DEA industry will survive between the withdrawal of the HIP and the introduction of any measures that will provide them with work? This could take years to introduce. Surely by leaving the HIP in place until such time as other revenue streams can be put in place this would be a helpful solution.
David Pett
David, Mr Schapps is 100% correct.
ReplyDeleteBring on the Tories and lets get the property market back on track.
Ace
Unfortunatley David you yourself offer no substance to improving the situation, you are no better than Grant Schapps, HIPs aren't working in the way that they should and your counter arguments are very weak to say the least.
ReplyDeleteHow many properties have sold in more than 3 months and the searches have had to be renewed?
How many of these cheaper searches are actuially of any real use?
How much of the HIP cost to the consumer is in fatc profit and not helping reduce costs!
What are your proposals to make HIPs fir for purpose?
Annoyed
ReplyDeleteThank you for your contribution.
Shame you did not have time to read all my posts. If you had you would seen my proposals.
Incidentally most searches are valid for 6 months!
Hi David
ReplyDeleteTo keep this thread current could you summarise your proposals here please?
"most searches are valid for six months"
OK some are, just as many aren't, depends on the conveyancer but once again then, in the time period that Grant Schapps is referring to, how many of the searches were valid and used, timescale, fit for purpose, missing information, conveyancer just doesn't trust personal searches and mortgage company doesn't accept them ?
In short, and leaving aside the detail:
ReplyDelete1. To allow anybody to market their property without restriction; and
2. to have light touch regulation to oblige a seller to engage with a solicitor or other regulated facilitator to order those documents and gather that information that in the judgment of the solicitor or regulated facilitator will be required by the buyer to move to exchange quickly, requiring the documents/information to be delivered within 28 days of marketing ( these would also include the EPC)
This would have the following benefits:
• It would speed up the conveyancing process by around 6 weeks if not more therefore reducing the stress of moving
• It would leave lawyers to focus on what they do best i.e. advise on legal title and leave the administrative functions to facilitators such as regulated HIP providers
• There would be no additional cost to the expense of moving
• The first time buyer benefits
• As for search validity - the solicitor/facilitator could order official searches ( no obligation as is the case now) to order personal searches, or alternatively include search validation insurance, or agree an arrangement with the personal search provider to obtain updates without charge.
Would you support this ?
If I'm right you want to
ReplyDelete1/ scrap first day marketing ( meaning the EPC has to be in place!)
2/ add a couple more documents to the hip, either through a HIPP or conveyancer.
Is that all a conveyancer does to take a property to point of exchange, order a few documents, is there no legal work or investigative work to iron out any issues?
If not how would the conveyancer be paid to do this legal work not knowing at that point if the property will sell?
How could a personal search agent provide an "update" ( new search!) at no cost, they would have to do the search again, pay all the relative costs and time involved?
Six weeks seems awfully optimistic for just a few more documents!
1/ scrap first day marketing ( meaning the EPC has to be in place!)
ReplyDeleteYes – it worked well and it was only after this was lifted that the industry lost the support of the estate agent. Furthermore I cannot see the Conservative Party agreeing to a barrier of this type remaining
2/ add a couple more documents to the hip, either through a HIPP or conveyancer.
Forget the label attached - The HIP is a bundle of legal documents with an EPC, so let us focus on the process rather than packaging. It has been proved that the delivery upfront of documents/information helps to speed up the process. As to what is delivered and how it is delivered leave that to the lawyer/HIPP
Is that all a conveyancer does to take a property to point of exchange, order a few documents, is there no legal work or investigative work to iron out any issues?
This will be down to the buyer’s solicitor as we know caveat emptor applies – by leaving it to the seller to get the documents and the information together the lawyer/HIPP will be able to compete with each other on service levels/pricing etc – as to what they include and how fast they react etc will be down to them. They may include solutions to problems uncovered - they may include consumer summaries
If not how would the conveyancer be paid to do this legal work not knowing at that point if the property will sell?
Same way as they do now – lot of solicitors do not charge for abortive transactions. As for the initial work they may offer to do this free of charge if they are instructed and to only charge if the seller pulls out – again this would be left to each supplier to address given commercial factors.
No different to how it worked before HIPs – we and other lawyers would ask the seller for a payment upfront to cover searches etc – if the property did not sell they would not get it back if the searches had been ordered etc!
How could a personal search agent provide an "update" ( new search!) at no cost, they would have to do the search again, pay all the relative costs and time involved?
Most personal search companies have policies on ‘refreshers’ and these are much cheaper than the original search – again all part of the process that existed before HIPs
Six weeks seems awfully optimistic for just a few more documents!
Let the suppliers compete between themselves –with the innovation on IT already existing with companies like mine and other providers the process is already quicker than it was.
Surely you must see the benefit of a scheme like this????
Surely you must see the benefit of a scheme like this????
ReplyDeleteNo, because you seem to be leaving it all to chance,it's very wishy washy, leave it to them you say but that's just going back to the old ways!
The Tories object to upfront payments yet your way will increase upfront costs for the job to be done properly, the conveyancer won't do work on a no sale no fee basis to that extent, if they did we wouldn't be having this discussion and HIPs wouldn't ever have been needed.
With the crazy way this whole Industry works of "No Sale No FEE" every one involved does the minimum to get by, that's why a HIP type product is needed and HAS TO BE FORCED onto the Industry, if that product is right abd does what it says on the tin then the Industry as a whole will accept and embrace it.
Unfortunately HIPs at the moment don't do that, they do save some time, some of the time but they also waste a whole load of the consumers cash and don't speed up the process in any way in many many cases!
David Said-
"Most personal search companies have policies on ‘refreshers’ and these are much cheaper than the original search – again all part of the process that existed before HIPs"
Well I'm sorry but that sounds a load of rubbish, since April and searchers not being able to flout the HIP regulations,having to pay for the information required then this kind of idea isn't feasible, the whole search would need to be completed from scratch not just re dated with a new date!
No, because you seem to be leaving it all to chance, it's very wishy washy, leave it to them you say but that's just going back to the old ways!
ReplyDeleteI prefaced my comments by saying the proposal was a general one. This is not the forum to discuss detail. It does not propose a return to the old days as you put it; it is a progressive proposal that brings forward the delivery of legal documents and information to enable a quicker sale. Approximately 1 in 4 property transactions fall through costing the industry £360 million per year – almost one million pounds per day. It typically takes 8 to 10 weeks from offer to proceed to exchange, one if not the longest period in Europe. Change is needed and we should all pull together and make sure it happens rather than rubbishing each other. The problem we have is that the property industry is made up of different professions with competing voices as well as a multitude of government departments, agencies and regulators. It’s hardly surprising the last changes before HIPs took place in 1925. ‘Wishy, washy’ it may be bit at least it’s a start.
The Tories object to upfront payments yet your way will increase upfront costs for the job to be done properly, the conveyancer won't do work on a no sale no fee basis to that extent, if they did we wouldn't be having this discussion and HIPs wouldn't ever have been needed.
I am not proposing any extra cost. As I say the cost to the vendor should be no more and perhaps less than what is being paid now. All that is happening is the legal cost of the sale is being brought forward. Any way surely the benefit of a less stressful and quicker transaction outweighs the upfront cost.
Not clear what your point is about no sale, no fee. I was not proposing that. I am saying those who are serious about selling will not worry about the cost whereas those who are not – the time wasters – may be deterred. We need a stable property market not one made of boom and bust. By restricting the market to those who wish to sale and buy and not speculate will help that.
With the crazy way this whole Industry works of "No Sale No FEE" every one involved does the minimum to get by, that's why a HIP type product is needed and HAS TO BE FORCED onto the Industry, if that product is right abd does what it says on the tin then the Industry as a whole will accept and embrace it.
I just cannot see a Conservative Party accepting this - they do not like regulation, they are trying to eliminate unnecessary bureaucracy. The HIP and any other similar repackaging under a conservative government, is dead.
Unfortunately HIPs at the moment don't do that, they do save some time, some of the time but they also waste a whole load of the consumers cash and don't speed up the process in any way in many many cases!
I don’t agree and this is not consistent with my first hand knowledge.
Apart from the cost of the EPC the consumer is not paying any more than they were before the HIP. In fact they are paying less as the costs of searches have come down.
Well I'm sorry but that sounds a load of rubbish, since April and searchers not being able to flout the HIP regulations ,having to pay for the information required then this kind of idea isn't feasible, the whole search would need to be completed from scratch not just re dated with a new date!
Not rubbish - it is true and in any event I am not taking about what is happening now I am talking about my proposal and of making the changes more part of the connected with the conveyancing process where refreshing searches has and continues to take place. This would also permit the use of insurance to plug the holes where information cannot be readily obtained. It’s ludicrous that the HIP search has to be the same as an Official Search whereas if it’s a search within a conveyancing transaction insurance is still permitted.